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You may know Mike Hill from his role as frontman in bands such as Anodyne and Tombs, but my own experiences with the Brooklyn resident reach much further. He’s a huge fan of film, an avid reader and when it comes to music, no band has meant more to him since discovering punk rock than Black Flag. As such, I cornered Hill to ask him to comment on the reunions and the controversy that has followed. His thoughts on Greg Ginn and Black Flag in 2013 are below.
-Fred Pessaro
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In David Lynch’s Lost Highway, Fred Madison said, “I like to remember things my own way; how I remember them, not necessarily the way they happened.” As the years go by, Black Flag will probably be remembered by their fans in a similar way, time painting and a coating of nostalgia over what was probably an intensely grueling experience for the band’s members. They are one of those bands that seems to have touched everyone involved in punk, hardcore, metal and pretty much any form of aggressively independent music, either through the intensity of their music, their tireless work ethic or the trail they blazed on the D.I.Y. touring front, creating opportunities where none existed before.
When Flag made the extremely unpopular move to grow their hair long and slow the breakneck speed of their short, fast proclamations of alienation, it was clear that they could care less about trends. It was about freedom and pushing forward. They took chances and were innovators when the American hardcore scene began to stagnate and grow lazy, becoming an inversion of the ideals that they once rebelled against, creating their own conformity.
With a few exceptions, such as the ill-received 2003 reunion, they have been silent until now. The last few years have subjected us to a plethora of reunions and blatant attention grabs from a spectrum of bands performing Elvis-like reviews of “hits”. Aside from the aforementioned show, Black Flag seemed determined to maintain the sanctity of memory, so the fans that had the opportunity to see them when they existed could remember them the way they wanted. After all, there have been enough former members of the band to make several bands.
So now, after nearly thirty years, not one, but two Black Flags are dragging themselves out on the road for what is sizing up to be a complete travesty. I suppose there’s the argument that the younger fans never had the opportunity to see the band play in their heyday, but the reality is that you’re not really getting a chance to see Black Flag; you’re paying to see a bunch of guys that used to be in a band called Black Flag that formed in 1976 and broke up in 1986 and within those ten years created a whole new way of doing things, a whole new way of playing music and a whole new philosophy on what it means to be self-reliant. Sure, the version of the band featuring founder Greg Ginn will have the vibe, the feel… but it’s still just a simulation, a put-on.
I just wish Ginn and company could have just let it be and allowed the fans to remember the band the way they wanted to.
-Mike Hill
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I’m not trying to troll but I think any and all members should be free to push ahead and let the chips fall where they may. That said, i find it ironic that both versions contain main progenitors that QUIT their respective versions of the band…and are now fighting over the name. Shouldn’t everyone be answering to Rollins, in effect? Or maybe C’el HA.
couldn’t care less*
Apparently no one under the age of 40 actually cares.
Anyways, I saw Dez play with whatever constitutes the Misfits last year and it was alright. Kids, do your dad a favor, and take the skinhead to the nostalgia fest.
Hey Mike, what’s up old roomie? I agree. Flag shouldn’t try flying again.
I so agree with you Mr. Hill, no one will be SEEING Black Flag in 2013, they’ll be seeing pale imitations of something magical that happened a long time ago. I was too young to have seen BF in their heyday, and that sucks, but it happens, sometimes we miss great bands. I’d so bummed that Greg Ginn is giving in to the almighty dollar, the 1985 version of himself is crying somewhere.
Unlike Black Flag, there are plenty of bands from that era who stuck together and are still putting out albums. I haven’t liked Metallica’s output since the late 80s, but St. Anger didn’t make me love Ride the Lightning any less. Realistically, it isn’t the same band or even the same musicians despite the fact that most of the names are the same. Everyone grew up and their priorities and tastes changed, which is inevitable and perfectly fine. I don’t begrudge artists the right to do whatever they want with what they built. It’s theirs, not mine.
What IS mine are the memories, which they can’t touch. I’m the only one who can ruin them, and only by attaching undue significance to things that don’t inherently matter, like tepid late career albums or cash-in reunion gigs or stints on reality TV shows.
In any case, I find it interesting that you specifically highlight how Black Flag always did exactly what they wanted back in the day at the same time you’re criticizing them for doing exactly what they want now. How do you champion the spirit of “freedom and pushing forward” by catering to the whims of your fans?
Maybe they have something new to say. Maybe they want to milk their legacy for a buck. Maybe they simply miss making music together. Whichever it is, they clearly don’t give a shit who objects, which really shouldn’t come as a surprise.
The 1985 version of Black Flag is gone and will never return. Others have taken over, pushing things forward now. People who, in 2012, are into Black Flag are into a memory, either their own or someone else’s, which is fine. And if you want to pay to see Black Flag now, you will see a band that was formerly underground.
Isn’t this what we all want from our underground heroes? Growing old and managing to get paid in their old age as a reward for the ground they broke with hard work 20, 30 years ago?
I won’t go see Black Flag, but plenty of others will. And Flag deserves it.
Who the fuck is a guy in Anodyne and Tombs (who???) and the fucking bassist of decade-plus done Ten Yard Fight (LOL) to say that Black Flag shouldn’t play again?
If you two played for say Bad Brains and Suicidal Tendencies, ok, your words would carry weight (to say the least), but you play (Mike Hill) and have played (John LaCroix) for bands who haven’t had even 1/1000th the impact Black Flag has had on not only music, but art, culture, fashion etc.
How is Black Flag’s return a “simulation” or a “put on”? ‘Know what’s a simulation and a put-on: Keith Morris’ glorified Black Flag cover band cash-in “Flag” – go write an article about how he should let it die. He’s the ass not Greg Ginn. If Ginn wanted to cash-in he could’ve done it loooong ago like say 1992 the height of grunge’s popularity or 1999 when the Warped Tour scene was in full swing or 2010 when hipsters decided hardcore punk was a cool thing to get into after ignoring or shitting on it (depending on the hipster) since 198X, 199X, or 200X (depending on the hipster’s age.) It’s like Off! formed then got signed by Vice Records, Matador and Sub Pop signed some kinda sorta hardcore punk bands, and Odd Future signed another kinda sorta hardcore punk band, and everyone’s a fucking authority on hardcore punk nowadays.
Just because Keith caught wind of a Black Flag return and decided to beat Ginn to the punch with a pathetic, blatant beat Ginn to the punch, ride the crest of Off! popularity while it still exists (I give them another album or two before people grow bored) cash-in, doesn’t mean Black Flag is the same thing or should be lumped in with “Flag”. Ginn is an artist, Morris is a bigmouthed lucky idiot who does bands to avoid working a 9 to 5 and doesn’t seem to grasp just how lucky he’s been to have joined Black Flag then found the guys to make Circle Jerks and later Off! Ginn has been putting out new music for decades with little or no fanfare, hype etc. – what has Keith done between Circle Jerks and Off? Midget Handjob LOL.
‘Love how this article shits on the real deal which actually has the founder and is putting out new music for once (Black Flag, unlike John Joseph’s Cro-Mags cover band he calls “Cro-Mags”) but not the sham who’s putting out jack fucking shit (Flag.)
Well, I know into whose cornflakes Keith Morris must have taken a shit.
Greg Ginn alienated a decent chunk of SST’s roster by not paying them money owed, and all he does with a library full of brilliant recordings is reissue them over and over to bankroll his own vanity projects. Black Flag’s end was a messy, pathetic, limping finish with two hired-gun sidemen and nothing Ginn has done since had the same impact. That he’s reassembled a lineup that has nothing to do with the band’s later days only confirms the idea that this is an ugly, cynical, cash grab.
I don’t eat cornflakes, but you sure eat the corn out of Keith Morris’s shit.
Flag is an ugly, cynical cash grab which smacks of Keith Morris isn’t making it or making enough money with Off!, he needs to supplement his Off! income, and he’s preparing for life after Off! when people grow bored of hearing the same sixteen songs in as many minutes third-rate early Black Flag/Circles Jerks record over and over. Four guys who didn’t start the band or write any of the music for it, or what exactly did Keith, Chuck, and whoever the drummer is write?
Cro-Mags end was a messy, pathetic, limping finish with four hired guns out of five (hired by Harley) and nothing he or Joseph has done since has had the same impact. I don’t see you calling Cro-Mags 2013 playing the same fifteen songs for the past half-decade a cash grab when it is.
Back to Black Flag. WTF does Morris’s “Flag” have to do with the later days of Black Flag? Why are you, Mike Hill, and John LaCroix singling out Black Flag? Or slamming Black Flag more than Flag? Flag is playing an event called “Punk Rock Bowling”. Black Flag is putting out their first album of new material in over a quarter of a century in the face of many skeptics, naysayers, and Keith Morris cheerleaders like Mike, John, and you.
Like Cro-Mags, the people who actually wrote the fucking music get bashed but the people who wrote jack fucking shit don’t. Ridiculous.
the bastard child of Ron Paul & a crazy cat hoarder lady. A born again Christian & a drum machine. Maybe they can go all synth & programmed sounds. Some dancing cats dressed like the S1W’s. A big ass tie dyed Black Flag banner behind them. TRIPPY MANNNNN! Anybody got any leftover LSD from the 70’s? Saw them twice over 25 years ago. Still one of my all time favorite bands. Will avoid this like the plague.
Obviously you’re such an influential HC trailblazer that you had to stay anonymous. Otherwise your opinion would hold too much weight and it wouldn’t sound like word salad.
Any reunion is a simulation – it’s about as real as a Civil War reenactment.
Swans’ The Seer would beg to differ with your sweeping generalization about reunions.
I’ll listen to The Seer. There certainly have been bands that came back just as good as they originally were. I think the Buzzcocks are maybe as good as they have ever been but then again, I’m not old enough to know real. I’d ask Al Quint about that.
I’m listening. This record is really good. I will do more Swans “research” so thanks for turning me on to it.
You certainly weren’t an influential HC trailblazer with your varsity-lettered wannabe Youth Of Today complete with jock imagery/mentality and elitist straightedge clique. If I’m anonymous why reply to me?
Obviously you’re asshurt that I called out you and your pal Mike Hill for saying Black Flag shouldn’t exist in 2013 without saying why and for being guys in bands who aren’t even in the same galaxy as Black Flag thus should at least say why Black Flag shouldn’t do this so you look like less of a dual-asshat.
Flag is a reunion, Black Flag is not. Black Flag is coming out with a new album of new music. No reunion band does that. Reunion bands play the oldies then either go away or keep playing the oldies, more often than not.
Who cares if they were in bands. They have ears, eyes, & it appears a lot more sense than you. It’s 2013, not 1983…..by the way, what band were you in?
I have ears, eyes, and alot more sense than them and you – it’s called keep your ears open, mouth shut, and an open mind, something you, John, and Mike don’t do.
What band were you in? I’m sure another one that like Anodyne and Ten Yard Fight was flyshit compared to Black Flag. ‘Doesn’t matter what band I was in, I know my place and respect my elders unlike you.
You’re giving your trolling skills too much credit, dude. I don’t give a shit what you think of me or Mike or Black Flag or Keith Morris. Using your own logic, if you weren’t in an influential first wave HC band, then you have no right to talk on the subject – since you’re a nobody, maybe you get off the internet and go start a band.
First off I’m not a troll. Second you and your pal Mike Hill are shit-talking judgemental dicks who think they co-own the fucking gavel to decide the validity of Black Flag when you don’t.
Last but not least yeah you don’t give a shit what I think of you, Mike, Black Flag, or Keith Morris, yet you’re replying to me, so you give a shit.
I never said you had to be in an influental first wave hardcore band to have a valid opinion, I said in so many words you obviously couldn’t comprehend that you had to have been in an influential hardcore band period to say what an influential band should do. You also have to be in a band who put in an amount work somewhat close to the amount Black Flag put in which Bad Brains and Suicidal Tendencies certainly did. Your and Mike’s words hold far less merit because you put in wayyyyyyy less time and work as a band person as Greg Ginn, Dr.Know, or Mike Muir. If Mike Muir said Black Flag shouldn’t come back, ‘know what? I’d disagree but I would give his words much more merit than the words of two dudes who were in bands 99.99999% of the underground music community doesn’t care about.
Oh so because I’m not in a band, I’m a “nobody”? You’re right, I am a nobody, but guess what? You’re a nobody, too. We’re all nobodies, yet you and your pal seem to think you have the right to say that a band shouldn’t play and those words have merit when they have none.
Once again why are you singling out Black Flag and not the blatant cash-in Flag is? Even Keith Morris himself said in a new interview the “band” came forth cuz some old greedy Goldenvoice asshole promoter needed a “big band” for his GV 30th anniversary show and I doubt Keith and his pals played it out of the kindness and generosity of their hearts. Try $$$$$$$$$$$$.
How is Greg out to cash in? First Black Flag record in 27 years. Does he even have an official website specifically for the band?
It’s 2013 dude. PIERRE SUPPLY.
I don’t know about whatever cutesy cute-named hipster rock band you’re referring to, sorry.
You’re an angry little troll anonymously writing paragraphs and paragraphs talking shit about everybody while accusing others of doing it. I’m not sure why you think you have a mandate to spout your opinion while telling us ours doesn’t matter, but Mike was asked by this blog to write. Take it up with the editor.
You obviously can’t even read. I said “Flag” shouldn’t fly (even though they are probably a better line-up). You agree with me, idiot. Nor Mike or I said Ginn was trying to cash in. All he said was he wanted to preserve the good memory of a great band. If you think 50 year old Ron Reyes rocking for Jesus and selling real estate on the side is going to be awesome, then I guess you’re entitled to that.
By the way, a nobody is somebody you’ve never heard of. You knew exactly who I was. If your measure of value is how much you put into the scene my years of bands, zines and shows have more weight than your bullshit trolling.
And Keith Morris was the best Black Flag singer by far.
BTW you’re talking shit about Ron Reyes you fucking hypocrite.
Says the dude who told a poster above that “you sure eat the corn out of Keith Morris’s shit” and talked shit on me, my friend Mike, Keith Morris, Cro-Mags, John Joseph and Goldenvoice.
NO wonder why you can’t use your real name. Please go off again Troll.
“Says the dude who told a poster above that “you sure eat the corn out of Keith Morris’s shit”
…after he replied to me with “Well, I know into whose cornflakes Keith Morris must have taken a shit.”
I didn’t “talk shit” you 1990s hardcore leftover meathead, I talked truth you can’t deal with. You two are flyshit – no, ATOMS of flyshit – compared to Greg Ginn thus laughable when you say he shouldn’t do Black Flag again. Your boy Mike Hill sure talked shit about Greg Ginn and Black Flag by saying Black Flag is a “put on”. Yeah? Really? Ok, if Mike truly believes that, then he should go to SSTSuperstore.com, click on the Contact section, and send Greg Ginn his “article” about how Greg is faking it. Tell your boy to forward this article to Greg Ginn. I wanna see two screenshots: one of Mike’s email to Greg before it is sent out the other of “Sent!” to Greg’s email.
Keith Morris talks shit about Greg Ginn and Circle Jerks left and right in interviews. He goes out of his way to say he doesn’t like Greg Ginn without saying why which is a form of shit-talking because it implies that Greg did and/or said something to Keith to make Keith feel that way yet it is not elaborated on – it leaves one to speculate/imagine and perhaps think Greg did and/or said something to Keith.
I didn’t talk shit on Cro-Mags or John Joseph, I merely pointed out the double-standard you and Mike Hill are running. It’s ok for JJ to play the same fifteen songs no one including him wrote under a name he didn’t come up with without Harley and against Harley’s wishes but damn Greg Ginn, the founder of Black Flag who named and wrote all the music for the band, for bringing back Black Flag.
I didn’t talk shit about Goldenvoice either, I just pointed out that Keith Morris’s Flag was offered a show by them. What else could you be but a greedy asshole promoter to ask a guy who didn’t start a band to play a cover set of that band’s songs knowing the creator of those songs wouldn’t be cool with it? What did Greg Ginn do to Goldenvoice to make Goldenvoice do that?
Fuck you with your “You can’t use your real name” nonsense, I am a real person who obviously hit you where you live. You, Mike Hill, Keith Morris, John Joseph, and whoever else wouldn’t beat me up if I revealed myself, so spare me that implied outcome if I said who I was.
Once again I’m not a troll nor am I angry, but if I am a troll you’re feeding me and you are the angry one. I don’t think I have a mandate to spout my opinion and tell you your opinion doesn’t matter, I’m just saying that a dude who played in Anodyne and another dude who played in Ten Yard Fight saying Black Flag shouldn’t return and Flag shouldn’t exist (in so many words) bears no weight or credibility when you two haven’t put in 1/1000th the work Black Flag put in. ‘Truth hurts. If you put in the work, say four albums in 10-12 years, ok, I could see where you’re coming from, but you two never came close to that with your bands, so you need to chill with Black Flag shouldn’t come back.
I read what you wrote perfectly. Since Mike was focusing on Black Flag, you said Flag as in Black Flag, not the Keith Morris Cash-In Flag, but nice try to spin it like you were talking about the new Flag band, idiot, and you’re an even bigger idiot to say Flag probably has a better lineup when Greg Fucking Ginn is the guitarist for Black Flag and some dude from The Descendents is the guitarist for Flag.
Mike wrote: “Sure, the version of the band featuring founder Greg Ginn will have the vibe, the feel… but it’s still just a simulation, a put-on. I just wish Ginn and company could have just let it be and allowed the fans to remember the band the way they wanted to.”
You and Mike didn’t say either version was trying to cash-in but Mike implied it and that BF was the main culprit and you stopped short of saying it. How could something be a “simulation” or a “put-on” and it not be a cash-in? Ginn is doing Black Flag for laughs/kicks? ‘Doubt it and I doubt he’s doing it for the money when the band hasn’t played out for almost three decades. Flag most certainly is a cash-in of the highest order. Keith’s not making enough money with Off! and Flag is his backup plan/Plan B in case Off! plateaus then declines in popularity.
I’m curious: What gives “the fans” the right to decide what one does or doesn’t do with his art? What’s with wishing an artist doesn’t come back? They’re back, deal with it. If Mike wants to “preserve (his) good memory of the band” he can just not support Black Flag or Flag. He can also shut up and stop coming off like Black Flag was created for him and the fans when it was not. I mean he can say whatever he wants but it bears no weight.
I have no idea or care that 50 year old Ron Reyes rocking for Jesus and selling real estate on the side (???) is or isn’t going to be awesome, but I am entitled to hear that without some blogger and some blog commenter coming off like judge and jury as to the validity of Black Flag’s return. I have to laugh at your ageist stance when some of your generation – dudes in their early-mid thirties are still playing hardcore. You’re old farts, too, so spare me the 50 year old Ron Reyes crap.
Actually, a nobody is what every hardcore kid is and hardcore wasn’t, isn’t, and never will be about being somebody as in someone else is a nobody, deal with it and take your highschool football jock mentality where if you didn’t play for the team you didn’t count somewhere else. I knew exactly who you were because you and your straightedge scene made it a point to broadcast your elitism to the world circa 1995-2000.
Hey, your words may or may not have more weight than mine, but let’s say they had more weight than mine. That’s not the issue here which is your words about Black Flag or Flag mean jack fucking shit if we are to compare what you and Mike Hill have done compared to Ginn and Morris. I’m just here to tell you that. Invisible Oranges allows me to post anonymously so take it up with them about anonymous posters.
Keith Morris was not the best Black Flag singer by far, Henry Rollins was. Morris was a right place right time lucky idiot wannabe hippy beach bum with a whiny annoying voice who fell into Black Flag, Rollins was an intense, fierce, dedicated, driven, pissed guy who gave up everything to relocate to LA to do nothing but Black Flag.
Sad troll. Sad.
If I’m a sad troll, you’re a pathetic fuck replying to one on a Sunday afternoon. Go outside. I did and will again.
Wow, this guy is the Whole Foods Appreciation Day HC right wing religious conservative gun freak version of a Black Flag fan, better watch out John, he might hunt you down w/ his automatic sling-shot
Fuck Whole Foods, appreciation days, right wingers, conservatives, gun nuts, and you.
Btw these comments > the article itself, Invisible Oranges must be loving it LOL.
I want to take this opportunity to announce a Ten Yard Fight reunion. We’ll be going on a 2013 world tour with SSD (only playing the metal songs), Slapshot (covering Gang Green songs) and DYS (only playing the new LP).
Why you talking shit on Slap Shot and DYS yo?
Oh TYF reunite one day I’m sure.
How can one not talk shit on DYS?
The phrase is “couldn’t care less.”
And the Rollins Band doing the Black Flag set for the West Memphis 3 was really, really good.
The year was 1983 and I picked up my 1st BLACK FLAG record, at that moment I had no idea my life was about to change. I had discovered truly what was the defining band of American Punk/Hardcore history. BLACK FLAG was teachers if you will who set the bar for what the true spirit of American Punk/Hardcore was and should be. Through all of their line-ups and controversial issues they stuck to their original ideals and values against corporate music and selling out. In fact Greg Ginn has stated in many articles that it was time to call the band quits since it had ran its course and any further doings would just be for issues other than the true spirit which carried this band for nearly a decade. All members have continued musical endevours over the years carrying their personal beliefs and goals in their music. The revival of BLACK FLAG doing reunions is nothing more than a sign that Greg Ginn is jumping on the “I’m Broke Bandwagon” and instead of “Clocked In” in should be “Cash In”. Of course this is just my personal opinion and am in NO WAY am I bashing any members participating in these reunions or any fans that desire to attend one of these shows, but just stating my stance on what I have seen in the previous postings
Hey Jason,
Ginn isn’t jumping on any bandwagon, Keith Morris caught wind of Greg bringing back Black Flag and merely beat Greg to the punch publicly with his glorified Black Flag cover band “Flag”. Btw say Ginn wanted to cash in – shouldn’t he? He started the band, named it, wrote all the music, recruited all the members, and put out all the songs. If anyone should “cash in” it’s him, and it’s ridiculous to say he is cashing in and Flag isn’t. Flag isn’t even a real band, it’s a Black Flag cover band who has publicly stated they have no desire to write new music. At least the real Black Flag with Ginn is putting out a new record of new music which no band who wants to cash-in would dare do as cash-in bands stick to the Oldies and only the Oldies (like Flag will.)
How exactly is Black Flag “cashing in”? They’re back after a 25+ year break up. They’re playing festivals in Tennessee, NYC, and Europe – big deal. I would imagine that if they wanted to cash in they’d do it in their own backyard: L.A., or more specifically x amount of nights at Hollywood Palladium.
It is ridiculous that people on here are giving Ginn more shit for doing the real band than Morris for doing a glorified cover band he’s supplementing his Off! income with. Actually, Flag smacks of Keith saying he’s not making enough money with Off!
Another thing:
I doubt Ginn is broke but say he was. Why shouldn’t he bring back Black Flag to no longer be broke for all he’s done for underground music, especially hardcore punk? No Greg Ginn, no Black Flag, period, end of story, case closed. Husker Du can talk all the shit they want on Ginn and SST but at the end of the day Ginn and SST made Husker Du who were lucky to be signed by SST.
‘Know what’s cool about Black Flag coming back? It reintroduces the band to entire generations of kids/people. You 15 and into underground music? Go pick up any Black Flag album and you will be forever hooked cuz any BF album is still better than ALL of the music which has been produced since you were born (1998.) That’s right FUCK 1998-99 AND THE 2000S.
Obviously BF4L cannot read my statement correctly and takes a defensive stance, maybe should read again. Also, I was born in the 60’s man not sure what you year claim is all about
Look everyone! Keith Morris’ “Flag” played their first show as Flag – only you had to be one of the lucky chosen cool in hip few to see it as it was INVITE ONLY.
No invite only Black Flag shows as far as I can see, but you herbs who rail against the real Black Flag (Greg Ginn’s) can keep sucking more Keith Morris dick and say Flag is more real and genuine than Black Flag when Flag is more of Keith’s mainstream music industry pandering, especially to the Vice Magazine crowd. Off! by a different name.
Let’s see:
Flag – Black Flag cover band with no intention to put out new music whose first show is invite only. Keith is doing it because he’s not making enough money with Off! and needs supplemental off-Off! tour income. Also Flag is an insurance policy against people being bored by Off! from them putting out the same 16-song album over and over which they have done so far.
Black Flag – The founder and chief songwriter who named and never left, quit, or took a break from the band, the only musician in the band who really matters, the reason Flag exists and Keith has a career in music as no Greg letting him into Black Flag no Keith leaving it to start Circle Jerks thus no Circle Jerks thus no Off!
Putting out a new album. No shiny new Facebook complete with booking agent from The Agency Group and thousands of likes because of Ginn’s hard work. Playing shows open to the public, no invite only LA beautiful/in/connected people bullshit.
BF4L…
“Black Flag – The founder and chief songwriter who named and never left, quit, or took a break from the band”…
nice revisionism, asshat regarding Greg Ginn’s role as songwriter, as he DID NOT write all the songs. Chuck Dukowski would like to have a word with you about that one. btw, Greg Ginn DID quit the band when the band broke up in 1986… ask Henry Rollins.
Question for BF4L: Did you actually attend a Black Flag show back in the day? Or are you going by what you read about in “Get in the van” and saw on Youtube? Neither Black Flag or Flag will capture what it was like back then…and I was there. Talking smack about Keith Morris, who is a legend with not one but 3 bands,really? His band Off is an instant HC classic. He is the original singer for the 1st two Black Flag records…if anybody can recreate the original sound….it’s him….not Ginn. A new Black Flag record it out of place in this day and age.