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James Surowiecki’s The Wisdom of Crowds is a book I recommend to everyone. In it, he posits that groups of people, under the right conditions, will make better decisions than individual people. (See the book’s Wikipedia entry for those conditions.) One of his examples is guessing the number of jellybeans in a jar. If the conditions are right, a group of people will guess the number, on average, more accurately than any one member of the group. (See book excerpt here.)
I’ve run two versions of the jellybeans-in-a-jar game on this site. The first was guessing the price of an Iron Maiden shirt. The second was guessing which band did which audio clip (Hinder, Edguy, or Sentenced). In both cases, you guys did miserably. According to Surowiecki, this would be due to one or more failures of crowd intelligence. Perhaps you guys are too smart (analytics state that most of you are college-educated) and thus think too alike. Or perhaps the structure of the comments box leads to an information cascade, in which your guesses are influenced by previous ones that you see. Or perhaps there just aren’t enough of you to constitute a meaningful data set. (Tell your friends about Invisible Oranges!)
In his book, Surowiecki discusses a phenomenon that could be applied to metal (or anything, really). That phenomenon is the prediction market. Prediction markets are markets that handle predictions (natch). Your office Super Bowl pool would be one example. However, I have little interest in professional sports that don’t involve men beating the shit out of each other. (It’s OK if a puck is involved.)
I am interested in real world events, though, and prediction markets exist for them. At Hollywood Stock Exchange, you can bet play money on TV and movie events like awards and opening box office grosses. The US Department of Defense (DOD) once developed a prediction market called FutureMAP that would handle predictions on events in the Middle East. The idea was to harness collective intelligence for more accurate geopolitical predictions. You can see a partial screenshot of it below. In it, you can see the categories for trading – stock activity, GDP, global trade, US military deaths, and terror – as well as specific events to be predicted, like the assassination of Yasser Arafat by the first quarter of ‘04 and the overthrow of Jordan’s king by the fourth quarter of ‘02. People would have bet real money on these events, with the DOD paying out the winnings. (See details here, here, and here.) Unsurprisingly, this raised a shitstorm of negative publicity, and the project was canned.
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Probably the most prominent prediction market in real-life, non-sports events is Intrade.com. Political elections are natural fodder for this market, though spicier events like Lindsay Lohan posing for Playboy have also been the subject of betting (at least on Intrade’s play money site, Intrade.net). The market prices range from 0 to 100, with each point representing 10 cents. Here’s how it works: if you buy a contract for an event, at, say, 60 – that is, you find a seller selling it at 60 – and the event occurs, it pays out 100 minus 60 = 40, which is $4 per contract. If the event does not occur, the payout is zero. (People bet real money at Intrade.com, which is incorporated in Ireland and evidently thus escapes the jurisdiction of US gambling laws.) Given the 0-100 range, the market price of an event represents the probability that it will happen, as predicted by the market. For example, Intrade.com currently forecasts a 95.2% likelihood that Elana Kagan will be sworn in as the next US Supreme Court justice, and a 25% likelihood that Sarah Palin will be the Republican Presidential nominee in 2012.
I’m proposing a prediction market for metal (but with play money). Would people be interested? The more people that participate, the more accurate the market’s predictions would be. Inkling Markets has a 45-day free trial for setting up a prediction market. (I don’t know what the cost would be beyond that, but I’d look into it if the market proved popular enough.) People would bet play money on whether events in metal would happen. One example from the past: “Guns ‘n’ Roses’ Chinese Democracy released after China achieves democracy”. Another in the future: “Slayer’s next studio album is their last”. A market lasting 45 days would necessarily be limited in its predictions (first week sales numbers, perhaps), but we’d cross that bridge when we got there.
Are any of you traders? Would any of you be willing to administer such a market?
Even if this metal prediction market never gets off the ground, it’s still fun to brainstorm events to bet on. They must have a definite yes-no result: either they happen or they don’t. So, heading off people’s first inclinations, they can’t be along the lines of “Morbid Angel’s next album will suck”. That’s a subjective measure. But “Morbid Angel releases new album by December 31, 2010″ would be a valid event for prediction.
What metal events would you bet on? I’ll lead off with a few. And, of course, if you’re interested in participating in a metal prediction market, say so in the comments. It could be fun.
1. Roadrunner drops Grand Magus after one album.
2. Isis’ next studio album is their last.
3. Record labels stop making CD’s by December 31, 2015.
4. Godflesh records new music by December 31, 2011.
5. Anthrax does not release new music by December 31, 2011.


I too enjoyed the book ‘The Wisdom of Crowds’ and I find a lot of its conclusions to be semi-reliable. It was a fresh point of view, one that was needed in stage where everyone was espousing cynical bullshit like ‘everyone is an idiot’ and so on.
That said, no. I am not interested in a ‘metal prediction market’. Not only is the IO commentator data pool extremely small, it is also probably (for your intents and purposes) too similar. Finally, it is influencing itself with itself (which is the point of conversation) whereas a proper prediction market would need a mass of disparate bidders who do not intermingle and are competitive.
The results will be just the usual peanut gallery talk that IO usually has, just with a thin conceit of ‘we are doing something scientific’ which even in the abstract I find crass and counter-intuitive. This is very far from my idea of meaningful dialogue on matters of Heavy Metal.
Morbid Angel’s next album has a shit-ton of interludes, causing it to suck?
1. Joey Belladonna will be fired (again) by Anthrax by December 31st 2010.
2. MySpace irrelevant to music by December 31st 2012.
3. Megadeth and Metallica will tour the world together before 2015.
I agree with Helm up to a point. Ultimately though, if the argument is to not start the prediction market because of our lack of varying viewpoints, then maybe we should just abandon blogs like Invisible Oranges entirely. There’s no point in discussing metal at all if the differences in opinion are so insignificant so as not to be meaningful anyway.
Helm, you’ve been commenting on the site for a significant time and still find commentating meaningful. I think this prediction market is a way to step out and possibly slow the degeneration you spoke of. It could be a way for non-commenting readers to get involved and increase the “data pool”.
I say let’s experiment.
Imagine if someone came in here who’s heaviest favourite music was say, Duran Duran (no insult meant to double d). Our differences of opinion are *exactly the right amount* for people to get to know each other in the commentspace and for various interesting subjects for our subculture to come to the forefront.
I don’t see how (funny at best) one-liners about possible movements of has-been metal bands promote communication but perhaps they’ll contribute to a positive tone for the community more than my grumbling does, so I’ll shut up and let the metal predictors predict.
hey i’d particapate, if I.O. keeps the welcome mat for international participants.
my first prediction is that Moby is going metal, thinking he is on the verge of something new to the metal world, he creates music that is oddly simalar to industrial, and deems it groundbreaking.
I bet that the name of Morbid Angel’s next record will start with the letter I.
Ha! Double D has been my nickname for years. My name is T-O Double D, hence “Double D”. *shudders* I would hope one of you bastards would have killed me by now if it stood for Duran Duran.
Good lord, all that Photoshop looks so bad. I predict they will need somebody like Chris Moyen or Justin Bartlett to do their artwork for this new album.
The wisdom of crowds is thinly separated from the madness of mobs.
Whoever it was that proposed that the Morbid Angel “G” album be called “Gleam of Tony Robbins’ Teeth” was a genius.
This sounded kind of interesting but really I’m not sure what it would accomplish outside of being a cute game that gets old in a week. It might be a good thing to use for contests and giveaways though.
I agree with Helm: I like IO enough to feel part of a larger community and enjoy a forum with which to comment and foment my ideas. That said, I don’t find this experiment particularly useful; as has been said, the data pool will be extremely small, there would be redundancies and, in a larger view, I don’t really give a shit if, for instance, it’s predicted that Gene Simmons will say something stupid (hardly a prediction), or that such-and-such band will reform/tour/record, etc. I fear that our discussions will be reduced to inanities, either/or fantasies and factoids, which I find to be a slippery slope given capitalism abhors a vacuum–which this is, a marketing scheme, isn’t it? Or am I WAY off the mark? I’d just rather discuss/explore the music.
This sort of thing is probably more appropriate for Metalsucks than Invisible Oranges and it’s crew of pretentious wet blankets.
That said, without real money involved, most would lose interest rather quickly. Who gets excited about “gentlemen’s bets” anyway?
I’d participate, for the sake of experimenting and a laugh.
bet: another guitarist quits Deicide before their next tour.
Another idea to make money out of metal and lead it towards break of its evolution ?! No Thanks.
While I’m ok with the basic idea, I find the questions that can be answered objectively aren’t very interesting. The only questions I’m interested in investing in the answers to regard the comparative quality of forthcoming releases:
– will Metallica’s next effort be superior to Death Magnetic?
– will the next Decapitated album be anywhere near the last one?
– will any band make a great album of Symphonic BM in 2010?
Since they’re all out of scope, I’m not very interested.
Morbid Angel’s newest album is metal’s Duke Nukem Forever.
Calling it.
Prediction-
Metallica will release another Number one album by 2014
Lars Ulrich’s inability to play drums will continue
Andy Sneap will not produce an album without an ultra sterile sound
The new Danzig record will sell less than 40,000 copies
Actually, probably could have lowered than Danzig record total to about 20,000, if that.
Varg Vikernes will (however briefly) rejoin Mayhem before December 31, 2011.
- Enuf Z’ Nuff do a co-headling tour with Vital Remains before December 31, 2011
- Nikki Sixx admits that all the stories in the The Dirt were exaggerated before December 31, 2011
- Danzig comes out of the closet before December 31, 2010
- Will the next Linkin Park album have influences of early Gorguts and Autopsy.
- Will the next Unholly Ghost album have special guest vocals of Mark Slaughter, and Jim Gillette.