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		<title>By: Pete Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 06:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Give it away I say

Songs from our catalog have been played by hundreds of radio stations and podcasters worldwide and it didn&#039;t cost them a penny, in return we got exposure and promotion.....sounds like a good deal to me, that&#039;s why many of our tracks have been released under a creative commons license and are free to download. So what if you lose out on lost sales, you gain more in the long term by increasing your fan base (If you can survive that long)
With such an overcrowded market place giving away your music is essential in my opinion. The biggest problem for emerging indie artists today is obscurity, not piracy. To find out more listen to The Antiqcool Podcast
http://antiqcool.podbean.com/2010/01/22/the-antiqcool-podcast-episode-1-how-can-you-be-a-part-of-our-success/</description>
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<p>Songs from our catalog have been played by hundreds of radio stations and podcasters worldwide and it didn&#8217;t cost them a penny, in return we got exposure and promotion&#8230;..sounds like a good deal to me, that&#8217;s why many of our tracks have been released under a creative commons license and are free to download. So what if you lose out on lost sales, you gain more in the long term by increasing your fan base (If you can survive that long)<br />
With such an overcrowded market place giving away your music is essential in my opinion. The biggest problem for emerging indie artists today is obscurity, not piracy. To find out more listen to The Antiqcool Podcast<br />
<a href="http://antiqcool.podbean.com/2010/01/22/the-antiqcool-podcast-episode-1-how-can-you-be-a-part-of-our-success/" rel="nofollow">http://antiqcool.podbean.com/2010/01/22/the-antiqcool-podcast-episode-1-how-can-you-be-a-part-of-our-success/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ry Crooder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ry Crooder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 23:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I have wondered myself if giving away hundreds of hours of my time each month for this site is worth it.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I hear you. I used to write more and do journalism and had a show on campus radio. At times, it did make me wonder what I was doing it for, because i&#039;d promote shows by some lesser known touring bands and there wouldn&#039;t be that many people there. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That being said, if you consider the origins of pop music, there&#039;s always had to be tons of giveaways, really, before you&#039;d had any significant sales. Labels had to promo at radio stations, newspapers, various places. In the times of DJ run stations, it was better because you had artists breaking because the DJ&#039;s liked them. Then payola got involved and ruined the purity of that, probably because the industry was being overrun by every act that thought they could &quot;make it&quot;, so they got wise and asked for payment in lieu of &quot;free&quot; exposure, and then the liberation from that was pirate radio (ships playing music from on the water), etc, then they got shut down and it reverted to payola again and back and forth.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When I was younger, I thought that bands got paid for interviews! I think of all the times that musicians are calling from the middle of nowhere in a crappy van, or some dive motel and laugh at how wrong I was.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The statistics are more sobering--how many hundreds of thousands (millions?) of bands, from your average basement band to your gigging with demo/ cd bands to major label bands there are, and then actual fans? When I did campus radio, it occurred to me--when I saw the hundreds of cds we&#039;d get in a month, there is no possible way that all of them can get played....if you factor in the amount of hours per day that there are. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So it almost seems like a waste to promo at those places, but the only other alternative is to not promo there, and i&#039;ve found that i&#039;ve had airplay and interest in the most unlikely of places. I&#039;ve promoed all the way across Canada and a bit in the States and some in Europe and have either got turned down by people or not, but that&#039;s the way it goes, that&#039;s par for the course. As the saying goes, &quot;you miss 100 percent of the shots you don&#039;t take&quot;. Of course the postage adds up like hell (especially when promoing vinyl to the US or Europe) and hell, the people could just toss it in the trash, but I like to do some things the old fashioned way.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That being said, even radio play and good reviews--which come from freebies and are free exposure in trade-- don&#039;t transpire into sales. It&#039;s kind of odd, but i&#039;ve seen the bottom line. I can relate to your other article in saying that maybe if you panned an album that much, that people would check it out. People are looking for some sort of entertainment value....whether that&#039;s enlightenment or just escaping boredom, they&#039;re looking to be entertained. It&#039;s tough to transfer free into paid these days. Royalty cheques are cool, but they&#039;re not much. But i&#039;m happy to be able to create and have some sort of an audience, ultimately.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sorry for the long ass response, but I thought that I could weigh in with some things here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;I have wondered myself if giving away hundreds of hours of my time each month for this site is worth it.&quot;</p>
<p>I hear you. I used to write more and do journalism and had a show on campus radio. At times, it did make me wonder what I was doing it for, because i&#39;d promote shows by some lesser known touring bands and there wouldn&#39;t be that many people there. </p>
<p>That being said, if you consider the origins of pop music, there&#39;s always had to be tons of giveaways, really, before you&#39;d had any significant sales. Labels had to promo at radio stations, newspapers, various places. In the times of DJ run stations, it was better because you had artists breaking because the DJ&#39;s liked them. Then payola got involved and ruined the purity of that, probably because the industry was being overrun by every act that thought they could &quot;make it&quot;, so they got wise and asked for payment in lieu of &quot;free&quot; exposure, and then the liberation from that was pirate radio (ships playing music from on the water), etc, then they got shut down and it reverted to payola again and back and forth.</p>
<p>When I was younger, I thought that bands got paid for interviews! I think of all the times that musicians are calling from the middle of nowhere in a crappy van, or some dive motel and laugh at how wrong I was.</p>
<p>The statistics are more sobering&#8211;how many hundreds of thousands (millions?) of bands, from your average basement band to your gigging with demo/ cd bands to major label bands there are, and then actual fans? When I did campus radio, it occurred to me&#8211;when I saw the hundreds of cds we&#39;d get in a month, there is no possible way that all of them can get played&#8230;.if you factor in the amount of hours per day that there are. </p>
<p>So it almost seems like a waste to promo at those places, but the only other alternative is to not promo there, and i&#39;ve found that i&#39;ve had airplay and interest in the most unlikely of places. I&#39;ve promoed all the way across Canada and a bit in the States and some in Europe and have either got turned down by people or not, but that&#39;s the way it goes, that&#39;s par for the course. As the saying goes, &quot;you miss 100 percent of the shots you don&#39;t take&quot;. Of course the postage adds up like hell (especially when promoing vinyl to the US or Europe) and hell, the people could just toss it in the trash, but I like to do some things the old fashioned way.</p>
<p>That being said, even radio play and good reviews&#8211;which come from freebies and are free exposure in trade&#8211; don&#39;t transpire into sales. It&#39;s kind of odd, but i&#39;ve seen the bottom line. I can relate to your other article in saying that maybe if you panned an album that much, that people would check it out. People are looking for some sort of entertainment value&#8230;.whether that&#39;s enlightenment or just escaping boredom, they&#39;re looking to be entertained. It&#39;s tough to transfer free into paid these days. Royalty cheques are cool, but they&#39;re not much. But i&#39;m happy to be able to create and have some sort of an audience, ultimately.</p>
<p>Sorry for the long ass response, but I thought that I could weigh in with some things here.</p>
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		<title>By: bacon and blastbeats</title>
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		<dc:creator>bacon and blastbeats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 10:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SPREAD IT LIKE A DEADLY VIRUS.</description>
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		<title>By: poserdisposer</title>
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		<dc:creator>poserdisposer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 12:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My band has handed out a couple hundred copies of our demo for free at shows, as well as posted it for download for free. We&#039;ll probably continue doing this for a long time..&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?ju3umdijyky&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you want to download..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My band has handed out a couple hundred copies of our demo for free at shows, as well as posted it for download for free. We&#39;ll probably continue doing this for a long time..</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?ju3umdijyky" rel="nofollow">http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?ju3umdijyky</a></p>
<p>If you want to download..</p>
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		<title>By: Don Blood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Blood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 11:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is spot-on.  When my band Flaming Tusk decided to release our recording as a debut EP instead of a demo, it was really just a matter of what we called it, and we very quickly decided that the idea of charging for it was insane.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The record was on our website as a high-quality download from day 1 (and still is), and the &quot;release&quot; consisted of making it public, making some blog posts and sending some emails.  We definitely reached a much wider audience much faster that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is spot-on.  When my band Flaming Tusk decided to release our recording as a debut EP instead of a demo, it was really just a matter of what we called it, and we very quickly decided that the idea of charging for it was insane.  </p>
<p>The record was on our website as a high-quality download from day 1 (and still is), and the &quot;release&quot; consisted of making it public, making some blog posts and sending some emails.  We definitely reached a much wider audience much faster that way.</p>
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		<title>By: The Daily Grind</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Daily Grind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is good advice, but he underlying problem here is the artist mentality. Art and musical collaboration takes lots of time, effort and experimentation before something of value is formed. Even with dirt cheap digital production making the tracks &quot;sound&quot; professional, the material is often shortsighted and lacking innovative value. Bands should record demos to physically fixate the progress of their experimentation, and then receive internal and external feedback for those ideas. In essence, artists are asking their community for a service: honest feedback and moral support. And when you ask a community to help, it only makes sense to give them access to the materials for free of charge.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;These practices will increase the quality of the final product, deliver more direct value to the consumer and advance the direction of underground metal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is good advice, but he underlying problem here is the artist mentality. Art and musical collaboration takes lots of time, effort and experimentation before something of value is formed. Even with dirt cheap digital production making the tracks &quot;sound&quot; professional, the material is often shortsighted and lacking innovative value. Bands should record demos to physically fixate the progress of their experimentation, and then receive internal and external feedback for those ideas. In essence, artists are asking their community for a service: honest feedback and moral support. And when you ask a community to help, it only makes sense to give them access to the materials for free of charge.</p>
<p>These practices will increase the quality of the final product, deliver more direct value to the consumer and advance the direction of underground metal.</p>
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		<title>By: UA</title>
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		<dc:creator>UA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 04:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t met many of the younger generation who care too much about people buying their music. They have a good attitude towards the whole thing, IMO, but they also grew up (or are growing up) inside a whole new paradigm. In my experience it&#039;s the label owners who really care about people buying the music...the musicians just want people to hear it. And yes, it&#039;s remarkable that these days a band can record a demo and be heard by a thousand people in a matter of days. I think that&#039;s fantastic. I can only say that...one would wish there wouldn&#039;t be a corresponding decline in quality or commitment on the part of musicians...but there has ALWAYS been bad music, bad bands, etc. I like the loosening up of the power structures within the music industry and inside music itself. If music becomes more and more competitive I don&#039;t think that&#039;s a bad thing...it just means bands will have to work harder to stand out. I have faith that good music will always be heard and treasured, and it doesn&#039;t matter whether that happens now or in a number of years as people hold on to something they&#039;ve come across. I think that as soon as technology enables a lossless format that can be easily bundled/packaged with art and some kind of &quot;authentication&quot; so that people can refer back to a band&#039;s presence, website, etc. all other forms of audio media will be dead as far as the &quot;official&quot; spreading of music. I love discovering new music and as the pace of production increases it just makes me happier...there is so much music to go through now that it&#039;s bewildering, but it&#039;s a good type of confusion, often. :) It&#039;s fun. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But also: yes, if you&#039;re serious about spreading your music through myspace, offer alternatives to their player. Protip: people are so lazy now that if you don&#039;t provide a clickable link for a download page often they&#039;ll skip it because CTRL C/V apparently takes too long! Ha! Oh well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#39;t met many of the younger generation who care too much about people buying their music. They have a good attitude towards the whole thing, IMO, but they also grew up (or are growing up) inside a whole new paradigm. In my experience it&#39;s the label owners who really care about people buying the music&#8230;the musicians just want people to hear it. And yes, it&#39;s remarkable that these days a band can record a demo and be heard by a thousand people in a matter of days. I think that&#39;s fantastic. I can only say that&#8230;one would wish there wouldn&#39;t be a corresponding decline in quality or commitment on the part of musicians&#8230;but there has ALWAYS been bad music, bad bands, etc. I like the loosening up of the power structures within the music industry and inside music itself. If music becomes more and more competitive I don&#39;t think that&#39;s a bad thing&#8230;it just means bands will have to work harder to stand out. I have faith that good music will always be heard and treasured, and it doesn&#39;t matter whether that happens now or in a number of years as people hold on to something they&#39;ve come across. I think that as soon as technology enables a lossless format that can be easily bundled/packaged with art and some kind of &quot;authentication&quot; so that people can refer back to a band&#39;s presence, website, etc. all other forms of audio media will be dead as far as the &quot;official&quot; spreading of music. I love discovering new music and as the pace of production increases it just makes me happier&#8230;there is so much music to go through now that it&#39;s bewildering, but it&#39;s a good type of confusion, often. <img src='http://www.invisibleoranges.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  It&#39;s fun. </p>
<p>But also: yes, if you&#39;re serious about spreading your music through myspace, offer alternatives to their player. Protip: people are so lazy now that if you don&#39;t provide a clickable link for a download page often they&#39;ll skip it because CTRL C/V apparently takes too long! Ha! Oh well.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris West</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris West</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 00:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow I didn&#039;t realise Spotify wasn&#039;t available in the US.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I can&#039;t really describe how good it is and how much it has changed the way I listen to music. The adverts are a little annoying but a small sacrifice for the music that is available.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If and when the iPhone app gets approved that will make the biggest difference because you will be able to cache playlist for offline playing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow I didn&#39;t realise Spotify wasn&#39;t available in the US.</p>
<p>I can&#39;t really describe how good it is and how much it has changed the way I listen to music. The adverts are a little annoying but a small sacrifice for the music that is available.</p>
<p>If and when the iPhone app gets approved that will make the biggest difference because you will be able to cache playlist for offline playing.</p>
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		<title>By: AVERSIONLINE</title>
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		<dc:creator>AVERSIONLINE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 19:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I&#039;m a firm believer in buying music whenever possible and artists being compensated for their efforts, I&#039;m also a FIRM believer that the world would be an infinitely better place if musicians kept a realistic perspective in terms of seeing their recordings more as literal documents of their musical work than potential sources of sustainable income.  At the end of the day, what good is the time and effort spent if the music&#039;s not heard by as many listeners possible?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I&#39;m a firm believer in buying music whenever possible and artists being compensated for their efforts, I&#39;m also a FIRM believer that the world would be an infinitely better place if musicians kept a realistic perspective in terms of seeing their recordings more as literal documents of their musical work than potential sources of sustainable income.  At the end of the day, what good is the time and effort spent if the music&#39;s not heard by as many listeners possible?</p>
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		<title>By: Loren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree with you Cosmo. I&#039;m a musician currently recording some stuff, and I know I&#039;m not making money off of my music. I have a day job--that&#039;s where I get my money. You can damn sure bet that whenever I finish whatever it is I&#039;m doing, I&#039;m gonna hand that shit out. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thanks for being an inspiration and a smart, smart writer/thinker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree with you Cosmo. I&#39;m a musician currently recording some stuff, and I know I&#39;m not making money off of my music. I have a day job&#8211;that&#39;s where I get my money. You can damn sure bet that whenever I finish whatever it is I&#39;m doing, I&#39;m gonna hand that shit out. </p>
<p>Thanks for being an inspiration and a smart, smart writer/thinker.</p>
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